tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post5198247004499306975..comments2023-04-02T15:53:46.924+01:00Comments on Senator Sam Mézec: The Jersey Democratic Movement - Manifesto of 1943Senator Sam Mézechttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-91286236445197445002013-11-24T15:41:10.685+00:002013-11-24T15:41:10.685+00:00Yawn.
When have I ever argued that bloggers are p...Yawn.<br /><br />When have I ever argued that bloggers are paragons of virtue? When have I ever said the government should fear us? When have I ever said we command majority popular support?<br /><br />It is amazing how some people are so unwilling to accept any criticism of the MSM that whenever a point against them is made, they divert conversations to the bloggers.<br /><br />Bloggers aren't a homogeneous group anyway.<br /><br />I don't aim to provide a professional and unbiased journalistic service. I just a citizen who likes to blog. I'm quite open about that. Why am I expected to do anything else?<br /><br />It makes you wonder what motivates someone to come on and change the subject whenever someone makes legitimate criticisms of the media, to the bloggers as if that is somehow relevant.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-80209491248384613522013-11-24T15:17:16.102+00:002013-11-24T15:17:16.102+00:00I don't which demise upon the JEP. I hope it c...I don't which demise upon the JEP. I hope it carries on for years to come. I just hope it carries on alongside other papers too.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-21032789428365301822013-11-24T15:13:37.102+00:002013-11-24T15:13:37.102+00:00I think you'll be surprised with Senator Bailh...I think you'll be surprised with Senator Bailhache's view on this.<br /><br />I once asked him what he thought about party politics and he said they were not only inevitable, but people should be actively striving towards them.<br /><br />Personally I hope Senator Bailhache does either form a party or encourage others to do so to represent his political philosophy.<br /><br />One thing is for sure, even though his party would probably clear up, they would (in my opinion) end up being a much more effective government than what we have now. This despite me not sharing their values or philosophy.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-39870710181639219692013-11-24T15:09:49.251+00:002013-11-24T15:09:49.251+00:00Readership figures prove no such thing.
I don'...Readership figures prove no such thing.<br /><br />I don't know if you are the same anonymous as before, but I was actually agreeing with the point that the internet is having a negative impact on all newspapers sales. That's a demonstrable fact, so my assumption is actually based on something, thank you very much.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-76466701280636412382013-11-23T17:18:42.801+00:002013-11-23T17:18:42.801+00:00Sam, how would you go about proving that you were ...Sam, how would you go about proving that you were the subject of a smear campaign (as defined on wikipedia as "an intentional, premeditated effort to undermine an individual's or group's reputation, credibility, and character").<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-30959823416627939062013-11-23T17:08:38.715+00:002013-11-23T17:08:38.715+00:00Sam, I can't find any actual reference to the ...Sam, I can't find any actual reference to the JEP using the words electoral fraud. Some people are suggesting it never happened. Would help if someone could post a link or cutting?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-64708538690347762792013-11-23T16:51:16.486+00:002013-11-23T16:51:16.486+00:00To Judge Made Law in Jersey #FreeSyvretNow -
I wo...To Judge Made Law in Jersey #FreeSyvretNow -<br /><br />I would hesitate at giving anyone any advice, after all, I wouldn't want to be liable for them losing money! One thing is for sure, your chances of success in Jersey are going to be greatly increased if you happen to know one of the Jurats. As a democrat like you (though a centre-left one, unlike you) we can share the belief that that sort of justice is no justice at all.<br /><br />To the Anonymous -<br /><br />Absolutely not. The whole point of election campaigns is that you are trying to get people to vote who otherwise not. Fraud is essentially getting "fake" votes. I.e. stuffing the ballot box, or forcing people to vote for you who don't want to. Assisting some people in applying for a postal vote can't be described at all as fraud. I suspect that in most cases, the candidate would have been knocking on doors, invited in for a cup of tea, and the person said "oh whilst you're here, my arthritis is bad, would you mind helping me do this form?" It's probably as simple as that.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-34134006715610461412013-11-23T16:50:51.318+00:002013-11-23T16:50:51.318+00:00Whilst the cartoon of the Pitman's was unfair ...Whilst the cartoon of the Pitman's was unfair and a bit mean I think they should have been very annoyed, then a bit annoyed and then shrugged it off and carried on with their lives. When I saw the cartoon I did not make the association with them being in it for the money. Many people have that view of them but it is based primarily (and unfairly in my opinion) on Shona's infamous 'now I can pay my dad back' line. It is also based on the fact that they are the first (as far as I am aware) household to receive two States Members' salaries and many people earning far less, and who hold the common view that States Members are 'all a bunch of useless .....', feel (wrongly in my view') that the amount they earn is a bit outrageous. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-80394813256168939292013-11-23T16:40:11.687+00:002013-11-23T16:40:11.687+00:00If their act was illegal and resulted in people vo...If their act was illegal and resulted in people voting who otherwise might not have then this may be covered by the term electoral fraud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-85268257466853994762013-11-23T16:32:29.330+00:002013-11-23T16:32:29.330+00:00The JEP are in no danger of being threatened by co...The JEP are in no danger of being threatened by competition and in no danger of being finished in 2 to 5 years. That's just wishful thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-91492348704931340832013-11-23T15:11:33.457+00:002013-11-23T15:11:33.457+00:00Ahem Sam,
Could I suggest for the avoidance of do...Ahem Sam,<br /><br />Could I suggest for the avoidance of doubt: <br />"Like accusing someone of electoral fraud when they only helped some old folk fill out a postal vote APPLICATION form"<br />i.e. not the voting form itself<br /><br />Not known to be illegal anywhere else in the world (as far as we know) <br />Whereas it is OK for the other side to spend £#,000s bussing their elderly supporters on poling day.<br />So many levels of gerrymandering on this island.<br /><br />I am actually on the centre right, but one is either a democrat or one is not.<br /><br />Whilst not entirely useless, I suspect that Geoff Southern is somewhat compromised. IMO Geoff Southern's breech of the Jersey electoral law was the high point of his political career. He said that he would break the bad law when it was debated and he was true to his word.<br /><br />Would "fraud" be libel Sam ?<br /><br />Would you recommend anyone to chance their house and even their future using Jersey's legal system which shows strong indications of not being fit for purpose ?Judge Made Law in Jersey #FreeSyvretNowhttp://youtu.be/VHfuqYWcw5Qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-67610590796064650642013-11-23T14:44:22.120+00:002013-11-23T14:44:22.120+00:00What ?
Since when did it not make commercial sens...What ?<br /><br />Since when did it not make commercial sense to nip competition in the bud ?<br /><br />They can afford to loose the odd advert. They cannot afford to loose their printed monopoly. They would be finished or would have to put their house in order.<br /><br />Long term the JEP is finished anyway.<br />2 to 5 years max.Judge Made Law in Jersey #FreeSyvretNowhttp://youtu.be/VHfuqYWcw5Qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-41987886140770388552013-11-23T12:30:30.468+00:002013-11-23T12:30:30.468+00:00So long as the rest of the article is accurate, I ...So long as the rest of the article is accurate, I should say. As long as they don't attribute further crimes to him that he hasn't done.<br /><br />Like accusing someone of electoral fraud when they only helped some old folk fill out a postal vote form...Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-46178483069537247402013-11-23T12:29:31.670+00:002013-11-23T12:29:31.670+00:00The problem he has is that the headline primary in...The problem he has is that the headline primary insinuates that he is violent, and, well, he demonstrably is. Or at least was on that particular occasion. So no case really.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-33118024576251725482013-11-23T12:22:31.860+00:002013-11-23T12:22:31.860+00:00Its not a state media monopoly, maybe you are conf...Its not a state media monopoly, maybe you are confusing Jersey with Cuba or Venezuela. The JEP is owned by a UK privately owned company. The government have nothing to fear from a tiny minority of bloggers who the vast majority of the population do not follow (or even know exist). In the overall scale of things blogging in the island if fairly insignificant. The only time the government has to take notice is when laws are broken. Bloggers are not above the law. An interesting survey question would be 'do you think bloggers report in a professional and unbiased way?' I suspect you wouldn't like the answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-2406342718933285442013-11-23T10:27:12.765+00:002013-11-23T10:27:12.765+00:00Slightly off topic. This is a serious question. Th...Slightly off topic. This is a serious question. The JEP today has a cartoon about the Guernsey civil servant who punched a police officer while in Jersey. The caption is something along the lines of "he must have thought he'd come over for the muratti"<br /><br />Should that civil servant sue the JEP for saying he's a football hooligan? If he did, should he win? If he won, what would he deserve as compensation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-86563246313172784612013-11-23T03:19:57.715+00:002013-11-23T03:19:57.715+00:00It would help if we could add to those the statist...It would help if we could add to those the statistics a survey of those who think the millions spent to attack the blogs and bloggers is evidence the government fears losing their state media monopoly on information. The expenditures and effort involved prove Jersey takes blog reporting seriously indeed. Close your eyes and smell the fear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-67474278408137808892013-11-22T20:55:44.216+00:002013-11-22T20:55:44.216+00:00In the recently conducted, and published, survey w...In the recently conducted, and published, survey which told us 75% of those surveyed didn't trust our politicians also told us that 60% of them didn't trust the media #DiscreditedAndDiscgraced.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-11689591908653968392013-11-22T20:40:12.815+00:002013-11-22T20:40:12.815+00:00I suspect thats just a rumour. The JEP have nothin...I suspect thats just a rumour. The JEP have nothing to fear from competition from anything other than google. Printed papers are on the decline. Anyone entering the market now would be pretty dim. The JEPs resources are huge. If someone had comparable resources then they would probably buy the JEP (as the current owners did). The JEP would not turn down ads. It doesn't make commercial sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-89349967253407032972013-11-22T20:34:37.913+00:002013-11-22T20:34:37.913+00:00I agree. The last thing Sen Bailhace etc wants is ...I agree. The last thing Sen Bailhace etc wants is party politicsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-86040282617409025282013-11-22T20:26:27.144+00:002013-11-22T20:26:27.144+00:00The original point was that someone said that the ...The original point was that someone said that the JEP was disgraced and discredited. Readership figures seems to contradict that. Just because a small minority of people seem to keep repeating that statement doesn't mean its true.<br /><br />"I said people would rather go online and read the free bits than actually buy it" that's just an assumption based on nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-34333091648564794802013-11-22T16:21:51.946+00:002013-11-22T16:21:51.946+00:00re: JEP State funded.
The States could easily publ...re: JEP State funded.<br />The States could easily publish the gazette online but choose to keep funding the JEP instead.<br /><br />And it's funny how every time a small competing paper comes along, it never lasts long. I've heard the rumour many times that advertisers are blackmailed not to support anything other than the JEP or the JEP won't take their ads. Whether that's true or not, it's interesting how often I hear it from different people :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-76714319405110626402013-11-21T23:55:40.375+00:002013-11-21T23:55:40.375+00:00The Establishment Party would undoubtedly remain t...The Establishment Party would undoubtedly remain the party of government for at least the foreseeable future. But if it were clearly identifiable which candidates were aligned to the party, rather than the current system where any candidate can just morph into any sort of politician depending on whose door they are knocking on, they would probably have a reduced majority.<br /><br />What they know would happen in that circumstance is that their candidates would be clearly identifiable and they would no longer be able to take advantage of it being ambiguous. You wouldn't be able to get people like Alan Maclean getting elected in St Helier No. 2 pretending to be against GST, then getting in and voting straight away against exemptions for food and babies clothes etc. He'd be a part of the party and many people in a constituency like that wouldn't have voted for him. Just an example.<br /><br />In the long run, a progressive centre-left party would end up being a serious player in politics, rather than just having a few lefties shouting from the sidelines. And they don't want that, because it's too much hassle for them to have an opposition that is capable of giving them a hard time.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-7398652831599505572013-11-21T23:49:10.088+00:002013-11-21T23:49:10.088+00:00I've already said that the JEP's decline i...I've already said that the JEP's decline is because of the internet. I said people would rather go online and read the free bits than actually buy it. I haven't even said that I blame it's decline on it being "discredited" or anything like that. Just that I don't consider it's high circulation rate as somehow confirming that it must contain the truth and everything they say is accurate (and that everything said in the blogs must be wrong).<br /><br />Also, the JEP in many ways isn't a regional newspaper, it is more of a national paper. Jersey isn't a part of the UK, we have our own government, our own laws and everything here is in a different context to the UK. So the need for competition is even more important.<br /><br />Gibraltar has several newspapers. Malta has several too, and a Maltese friend once told me that some of them even get state funding specifically so they can remain viable and provide competition. So the JEP enjoys far less competition than papers in comparable jurisdictions.<br /><br />Gazettes don't have to be advertisements, it could be a full paper, like the British gazettes are. In fact, that would make more sense if it were done as an online paper. No need to include the JEP in on it then.Senator Sam Mézechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072393815446147249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2111456314243683939.post-88281448658926297822013-11-21T20:57:31.555+00:002013-11-21T20:57:31.555+00:00Sam, the States are an advertiser. The Gazette is ...Sam, the States are an advertiser. The Gazette is an advertisement. If that classes as state funding then just about every organisation in the island is state funded. You are becoming a master of spin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com